NITED NATIONS, Sept. 20 - Pakistan's
president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, said in an interview on Monday
that his leadership was freeing his country from the menace of
extremism and that this national "renaissance" might be lost if he
kept his pledge to step down as army chief at the end of this
year.
And while General Musharraf asserted that he had succeeded in
breaking up the network of a top Pakistani scientist who provided
illicit nuclear technology to other countries, he said the full
extent of that network was not yet known.
Of his promise to serve only as the country's civilian president
after Dec. 31, General Musharraf said, "Yes, I did give my word that
I would." The step has been viewed as fulfilling his larger promise
to return Pakistan to democratic rule, "but the issue is now far
greater than this," he said.
Speaking in a one-hour interview with The New York Times after
his arrival in New York for the United Nations General Assembly
meeting this week, General Musharraf said Pakistan was making
significant inroads into Al Qaeda, arresting some 600 suspects,
ending the terrorist network's illicit fund-raising in major cities
and breaking up long established bases in remote border areas. That
effort, he said, required "continuity."
"This was a culture, a society which was moving towards extremism
and fundamentalism, and I am trying to reverse this trend and give
voice to the vast majority of Pakistanis who are moderate," said
General Musharraf, 61, the target of two assassination attacks last
December and a plot on his life in August, all, he said, planned by
Al Qaeda. "Now these are not easy things which can be done by
anyone, may I say."
Dressed in a gray business suit, seated in a straight-backed
chair in his midtown hotel suite and speaking with regimental rigor,
General Musharraf, the military ruler of Pakistan since seizing
power in a bloodless coup in 1999, asserted that Pakistan was
already enjoying the fruits of democracy, with local elections,
functioning legislatures, freedom of speech and an independent press
and empowerment of women.
"I'm sorry, I don't want to boast about myself," he said, "but
there is a renaissance, there is a big change we are trying to bring
about."
Though he said he had not yet decided to remain army chief beyond
the Dec. 31 deadline, he asked pointedly, "How did General de Gaulle
continue in uniform all through his period as president of France,
and France is a democratic country?"
In discussing Al Qaeda, he said that among the 600 suspects
detained were Uzbeks, Chechens, Yemenis and other Arabs, as well as
people from Tanzania, South Africa and even China.
He said the recent seizure of computer disks in the eastern
Pakistan city of Lahore had shown that Al Qaeda was thinking of
uprooting to Somalia or Sudan. "I think that speaks volumes for the
actions we have taken against them in our cities and in the
mountains," he said.
General Musharraf, a crucial ally of President Bush, who is
scheduled to meet with him twice this week, firmly denied that any
influence had been brought on Pakistan to produce a dramatic arrest
before the November election. "This is absolutely untrue," he
said.
He expressed intense irritation with critics of Pakistan's level
of commitment to the campaign to capture the Qaeda leader Osama bin
Laden. "When I read about this issue of we are not doing enough and
all that, I really don't like that at all for Pakistan," he said,
his voice rising. "Who else is doing enough? Who else is doing
anything, by the way? Only Pakistan is doing enough."
He said that Pakistan's Army was taking action to end the
teaching of religious extremism and hatred of the West in the
religious schools known as madrasas, but that given the remoteness,
the inhospitable terrain and 2,500-mile length of the border where
extremism most flourished, the job was difficult.
"We are squeezing the religious teachers who preach extremism ,
we are taking them to task and removing them, but it is a slow
process because there are thousands of mosques, and you don't know
who is saying what," he said. "The army is not omnipresent
everywhere."
General Musharraf cited similar difficulties in keeping resurgent
forces of the Taliban, Afghanistan's former rulers, from using
border areas for initiating attacks on their homeland and attempting
to disrupt elections there.
"We are trying to do our best not to let them do that,'' he said.
"Our resolve is to not allow them to interfere in the elections. But
we cannot guarantee it. We do not have the capability to seal the
border in a watertight manner."
He said he was certain that he had dismantled the network of
Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan's atom bomb who was
exposed this year as a major furnisher of illicit nuclear know-how
and material to North Korea, Libya and Iran.
But he said he was not certain that he had discovered the full
extent of Mr. Khan's activities. American intelligence officials say
the three countries may have accounted for less than 50 percent of
the network's customers.
"I'm 200 percent sure that it has been shut down," Mr. Musharraf
said of Dr. Khan's network. "But if you say whether I am sure over
what he's provided in the past, no sir, I'm not. I can't say surely
that he has honored everything that he has done."
He rejected charges that his government had denied American
investigators the chance to question Dr. Khan, whom he pardoned,
saying the Americans never requested it. And what would be the
response if they did ask?
"We wouldn't let them," he said. "That would show a lack of trust
in ourselves. I mean, we must trust our own agencies."